Comments on Working group 6

Price formation enhancements

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Oct 18, 08:00 am - Nov 03, 05:00 pm
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California Community Choice Association
Submitted 11/03/2023, 11:16 am

Contact

Shawn-Dai Linderman (shawndai@cal-cca.org)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

The California Community Choice Association (CalCCA) appreciates the opportunity to comment on the California Independent System Operator’s (CAISO) Price Formation Enhancements Working Group Six on Fast Start Pricing. CalCCA has historically not supported the CAISO implementing fast-start pricing (FSP).[1] The CAISO already compensates fast-start resources for their start-up costs outside the market rather than in the locational marginal price (LMP). Under FSP, fast-start resources’ total compensation would remain the same, but the market clearing price would rise to include start-up costs and award that higher price to all resources that clear the market.

The CAISO and the Department of Market Monitoring (DMM) raised a series of concerns with FSP within the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) in Docket RM17-3. These concerns include that FSP would undermine the CAISO’s efforts to procure flexible resources in real-time, result in infeasible dispatches, and weaken price signals to provide ramping capability when coupled with the flexible ramping product. These concerns remain relevant, and the CAISO should not abandon them in favor of implementing a seemingly unnecessary pricing structure.

For these reasons, the CAISO should move forward with its proposed analysis phase presented in Working Group Six to determine the magnitude of anticipated cost impacts if the CAISO were to move forward with FSP and compare these cost impacts to any benefits perceived to be associated with these costs.

 

[1]             CalCCA Comments on the Issue Paper (Aug. 9, 2022): https://stakeholdercenter.caiso.com/Comments/AllComments/6ac34d7d-0fc1-4a9e-b498-3592f3679999#org-8f8c8aca-93df-4c0a-977a-24182a05e9ef.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

CalCCA supports the CAISO’s approach to considering FSP in the working group, in which it will first assess the impacts of FSP through an iterative analysis phase before discussing its inclusion in the CAISO market. Such an analysis is needed to understand the potential impacts on customer costs associated with FSP and if there is any benefit associated with those costs. CAISO’s approach of using sensitivity analysis to evaluate different alternatives will help demonstrate the impact of various FSP approaches.

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

CalCCA has no additional comments at this time.

California ISO - Department of Market Monitoring
Submitted 11/02/2023, 03:59 pm

Contact

Aprille Girardot (agirardot@caiso.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

Please see the linked comments from the Department of Market Monitoring.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

Please see the linked comments from the Department of Market Monitoring.

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

Please see the linked comments from the Department of Market Monitoring.

California Public Utilities Commission - Public Advocates Office
Submitted 11/03/2023, 09:35 am

Contact

Patrick Cunningham (patrick.cunningham@cpuc.ca.gov)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

Working Group #6 considered why fast start pricing is being revisited in the current initiative.  The CAISO suggested that “the benefit of fast start pricing depends on the resource fleet, system conditions, and existing market rules.”[1]  This is one of few references to benefits in the working group slides.  Conversely, the slide deck is replete with potential costly impacts to ratepayers.  For instance, the CAISO described a 2016 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR)[2] that considered fast start pricing rules.  The NOPR was opposed by the CAISO and ultimately “FERC found that a generic rulemaking was not appropriate for all RTOs/ISOs,”[3] in part because the CAISO already had experience and tools in place that addressed the objectives of fast start pricing.[4]  A previous Issue Paper reiterates the CAISO’s concerns with the FERC NOPR, including that fast start pricing “would promote the wrong incentives and undermine” ISO efforts to address market challenges and price signals.[5]  The table on slide 21 lists four intended benefits for fast start pricing and the existing CAISO market solution for each, and is titled “CAISO’s previous experience met intended goals.”[6]  Finally—and perhaps most concerning—the CAISO notes that “[fast start pricing] would increase LMPs in the market pricing run it applies to.”[7]  In other words, fast start pricing would be expected to raise costs to ratepayers.

At this stage, there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate that conditions have shifted substantially enough since the 2016 NOPR findings to justify exploring fast start pricing for the CAISO.  Accordingly, the CAISO should remove problem statements related to fast start pricing from this initiative. 

If the CAISO continues exploring fast start pricing, then it should clearly explain the reasons why.  The CAISO opposed the FERC NOPR on the basis that the CAISO had tools in place that meet fast start pricing objectives.[8]  It is unclear if existing tools have ceased to provide reliability benefits that fast start pricing could give the market.  Additionally, the CAISO will soon be introducing new and/or improved reliability tools, including the extended day-ahead market’s capacity products, which may address the objectives of fast start pricing.  It remains unclear whether fast start pricing would be a useful alternative to the existing tools and the ongoing market refinements made since the 2016 NOPR.

The CAISO states that other Balancing Authorities (BA) may lack the tools that the CAISO uses and that fast start pricing could provide benefits on a regional basis.[9]  If potential regional benefits are a reason to revisit fast start pricing, the CAISO should explain whether applying fast start pricing across the Extended Day-Ahead Market would or would not create unnecessary costs[10] in the CAISO BA where suites of tools may already address the problems that fast start pricing may solve.

A comprehensive review of why fast start pricing is being revisited should consider the current and future portfolio, and if and how existing tools are unable to address any benefits that fast start pricing may provide.  The CAISO should also describe if and how its opposition to the FERC NOPR is no longer relevant, with consideration of the evolution of market products and tools to address price formation and reliability since the CAISO filed its opposition to the NOPR.

 


[1] CAISO Price Formation Enhancements Working Group Session #6, October 12, 2023 (Working Group #6 Slides) at 9.  Available at: http://www.caiso.com/InitiativeDocuments/Presentation-Price-Formation-Enhancements-Oct12-2023.pdf.  See also the video recording at: https://youtu.be/q_2htf88duA?t=388.

[2] Working Group #6 Slides at 20.

[3] Working Group #6 Slides at 20.

[4] Those tools included the use of uplifts, addressing ramping needs, and transparency of appropriate price signals.  Working Group #6 Slides at 21.  See also the video recording at: https://youtu.be/q_2htf88duA?t=1035.

[5] CAISO Price Formation Enhancements: Issue Paper, July 5, 2022 at 14-15.  Available at: http://www.caiso.com/InitiativeDocuments/Issue-Paper-Price-Formation-Enhancements.pdf.

[6] Working Group #6 Slides at 21.

[7] Working Group #6 Slides at 22. 

[8] Working Group Slides at 21.

[9] See CAISO’s response to a question from the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power at Working Group #6 recording from 27:18 to 31:42: https://youtu.be/q_2htf88duA?t=1639.

[10] Working Group #6 Slides at 22.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

The CAISO BA has tools in place that may solve the problems that fast start pricing intends to address.  The positive and negative impacts of the fast start pricing analysis should be granular enough to specify impacts to the CAISO BA alone, as well as the Western Energy Imbalance Market as a whole.

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

Cal Advocates has no additional feedback at this time.

Northern California Power Agency
Submitted 11/02/2023, 04:45 pm

Contact

Michael Whitney (mike.whitney@ncpa.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

NCPA's understanding is that CAISO has already studied FSP multiple times and has determined that it is not a good fit for CAISO markets and would result in minimal benefits at massive costs. NCPA sees no need to revisit before EDAM since initial EDAM participation will be limited and no EIM entities use FSP. NCPA believes CAISO and stakeholder resources would be better utilized for other priorities such as EDAM, DAME, and RA enhancements. 

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

No comment. 

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

No comment. 

Pacific Gas & Electric
Submitted 11/03/2023, 11:14 am

Contact

JK Wang (jvwj@pge.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

PG&E values CAISO’s continuous exploration of potential modifications to align pricing mechanisms with the evolving needs of the day ahead market. PG&E is eager to collaborate on proposals that could improve system reliability and enhance market efficiency. However, PG&E is concerned that fundamental changes to CAISO’s pricing structure, such as Fast Start Pricing (FSP), coupled with other ongoing market initiatives, may have unintended market consequences. While open to proposals, PG&E urges incremental validation of proposed designs, particularly in a simulated environment, during policy development to ensure proposed changes yield promised benefits without undesired outcomes.

 

PG&E urges CAISO to develop two to three initial FSP designs and specify key aspects such as the types of resource affected, the applicable markets, and FSP activation timing. These initial designs will establish common assumptions, aiding stakeholders and CAISO in evaluating FSP through simulations in future discussions. While CAISO looks to other Independent System Operators (ISOs) and Regional Transmission Operators (RTOs) for justification, PG&E questions the applicability of their specific FSP mechanisms to the unique CAISO market. PG&E emphasizes the importance of substantiated proof over speculative assumptions and calls for a robust validation process to determine the benefits of a specific FSP design for the market.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

PG&E requests CAISO to demonstrate that the proposed FSP design ensures equitable benefits across stakeholders and consistent market results, preventing scenarios that are punitive to some market participant while beneficial to others. In addition, PG&E highlights areas crucial for CAISO and stakeholders to constructively illustrate the magnitudes of benefits and risks associated with FSP.

  1. Conduct a detailed analysis of the of the FSP design’s impact on generating resources’ costs, particularly, in comparison to the existing Bid Cost Recovery (BCR) process.
  2. Examine the impact of the FSP design on real-time prices within applicable intervals and the intervals before and after and demonstrate the competitiveness of resulted prices, i.e., attracting additional Megawatts into FSP triggered area.
  3. Analyze the FSP impact on cost to loads by considering the offset between increased real-time prices and reduced uplift and changes in cost allocations among Load Serving Entities (LSE).
  4. Evaluate the interaction of FSP with other market products, specifically Flex Ramp Product (FRP) in the real time market and Imbalance Reserves in the day-ahead market.
  5. Assess how the FSP design may influence bidding strategies, particularly for storage and convergence bidding, considering potential arbitrage opportunities.
3. Please provide any additional feedback.

PG&E requests clarification from CAISO regarding the intended implementation timeline of FSP and how it aligns with the launch of DAME/EDAM, specifically whether FSP will be implemented concurrently with DAME and DAME.

PacifiCorp
Submitted 11/03/2023, 04:16 pm

Contact

Vijay Singh (vijay.singh@pacificorp.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

PacifiCorp appreciates the opportunity to comment on Working Group Session #6. PacifiCorp found the history and level set of Fast-Start Pricing (FSP) helpful in better understanding FSP and how the CAISO plans on providing analysis to stakeholders. PacifiCorp does not have any specific topics that need further discussion before the scope of the analysis is developed. PacifiCorp looks forward to reviewing the CAISO’s analysis of FSP to further discuss the need for FSP in the CAISO markets.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

PacifiCorp has a few additional metrics or market impacts that PacifiCorp would like to be explored in the FSP analysis.

 

  1. PacifiCorp believes that there should be analysis focused on exploring and documenting the interaction of the Flexible Ramping Product (FRP) and FSP. The FRP is different than other flexibility products in other ISOs/RTOs that have FSP, so FRP may already be providing some of the benefits to the CAISO markets that is achieved by FSP in other markets. PacifiCorp asks the CAISO to show stakeholders if fast-start resources are already being awarded FRP and dispatched in real-time from an offline status since the implementation of nodal FRP in February 2023. Furthermore, PacifiCorp would like to see analysis of how much these resources are paid for FRP. This would show stakeholders whether fast-start resources are already being paid for their fast-start capabilities. PacifiCorp requests CAISO consider varying start-up times to classify fast-start resources to facilitate the conversation.

 

  1. PacifiCorp requests the CAISO present an overview of how FSP is performing in other markets that currently use it. Since many stakeholders don’t have experience operating in a market with fast-start pricing, stakeholders may benefit from a common understanding of how often FSP is triggered, and the impact that has on prices, in other markets. While PacifiCorp understands that each market is different, a level-set on FSP’s performance in other ISOs and RTOs would aid future stakeholder discussions on the tradeoffs of FSP.

 

3. PacifiCorp requests the CAISO provide stakeholders with information on how fast-start resources are being used in the WEIM today. For example, it would be useful to see how often fast-start resources have been brought online, from an offline status, to meet system demand over the past year. PacifiCorp considers this a good way to estimate how many intervals would potentially be affected by FSP. Again, PacifiCorp asks that varying start-up times were used to classify fast-start resources. Furthermore, PacifiCorp believes it would benefit stakeholders to see a few specific examples from the past year when a fast-start resource was brought online to meet a capacity shortage, and whether the resources’ start-up and minimum load costs were covered by market payments. This may help highlight whether FSP will more fairly compensate resources during times of supply scarcity for generation owners that don’t have experience operating in a market with FSP.  

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

 PacifiCorp has no additional feedback.

Public Generating Pool
Submitted 11/06/2023, 09:47 am

Contact

Sibyl Geiselman (sgeiselman@publicgeneratingpool.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

 PGP found the overview of core concepts and mechanisms used in Fast-Start Pricing to be helpful background for the initiative, but would like to see further documentation in two main areas:

  1. We recommend creation of a reference library under the initiative page that shares links to previous analyses that are focused on the core topics at hand (Scarcity, Fast-Start, Structural MPM) as they relate to recent events, past design dialogue, prior proposals, third-party analysis or even market design in other markets that has tackled similar issues. Sources may include DMM, MSC meetings, other CAISO staff analysis, discussions from the Regional Issues Forum, market monitoring from other markets, or academic research, for example. If there was a way for stakeholders to submit references for inclusion in this library, it may facilitate education and enhance shared understanding among stakeholders. This could also be a place to share links provided when these references come up in the meetings, as has already occurred on multiple occasions in the working group process so far.
  2. Specifically, as noted in the working group, we support developing products that do not undermine existing market mechanisms. In other markets that have fast-start, how have the markets enabled fast-start pricing in conjunction with other market mechanisms designed to procure flexibility, such as ramping products?

 

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.
  1. Interactions between Fast-Start Pricing and the Flexible Ramping Product and how other markets fit these product types/pricing mechanisms together. Ongoing analysis of the performance of the FRP poduct would also support this topic.
  2. In the analysis of Fast-Start impacts that was outlined, intervals impacted by location
  3. Number of fast start generators by WEIM BAA, age, size, and any announced retirements
  4. Likelihood of these resources being committed in the Day Ahead, and discussion of appropriateness of certain costs in that context
  5. Impacts of Fast-Start pricing mechanisms on sending appropriate signals to future resources like storage, and other existing flexible resources.
  6. Other mechanisms to recognize this category of costs in a more direct way if they exist, for example in higher default margins for fast-start gas resources.
3. Please provide any additional feedback.

 Thank you for providing this background. PGP is interested in understanding any potential interactions between the Flexible Ramping Product and Fast-Start Pricing, the compatibility of like products or mechanisms in other markets, and impacts of Fast-Start Pricing on sending appropriate signals for other types of flexible resources in the market such as battery storage or hydro with storage. 

Salt River Project
Submitted 11/02/2023, 08:11 am

Contact

Jerret Fischer (jerret.fischer@srpnet.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

The Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District (SRP) appreciates the opportunity to provide feedback on the Working Group (WG) Session #6 and the comprehensive history and level set of Fast-Start Pricing provided. The detailed overview provided clarity of the proposed methodology. While the presentation was informative, SRP believes that it is essential to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the methodology's potential implications on an increase or decrease in fast-start resource commitments within the market. Further insights into this aspect may contribute to a more holistic development of the scope for analysis. SRP encourages a deeper examination of how Fast-Start Pricing interacts with commitment and dispatch processes or if there is any impact to startup uninstructed imbalance energy (UIE). Additionally, SRP requests clarification on whether the proposed methodology includes Multi-Stage Generators (MSGs) with short transition times and how this might impact their commitments and dispatch.

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

SRP encourages the Price Formation WG to dedicate time to review how fast-start resources are designated by startup time and minimum on times in other markets and to assess the number of resources in each category that currently participate in the WEIM as a point of reference. Additionally, SRP requests that the CAISO provide stakeholders with any existing documentation or reporting on the impacts on locational marginal price (LMP) variations for Fast-Start resources before and after implementing the proposed methodology in other markets (or in studies conducted for the WEIM). This information will help stakeholders better understand pricing dynamics and the impacts of Fast-Start pricing policies.

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

SRP encourages the CAISO to provide stakeholders any white papers, studies, or documentation that provide a more comprehensive explanation of the proposed Fast-Start Pricing methodology or the rationale behind its development. Additionally, SRP encourages the CAISO to provide comparative analysis, if available, on how ISOs and RTOs that have already implemented Fast Start Pricing have experienced changes in market operations and pricing dynamics. Comparative data can assist stakeholders in benchmarking and learning from best practices while evaluating the potential impacts of Fast-Start Pricing on the CAISO market. Furthermore, SRP requests the CAISO assess whether there are multiple methods for incorporating commitment costs into a modified bid, other than the method proposed in the WG. SRP also requests clarification on how the LMPs are impacted if prices are derived from the MW range below Pmin in the method proposed in the meeting on October 12, 2023. Understanding the specific mechanisms for addressing commitment costs will provide valuable insights for stakeholders as they navigate the implications of Fast-Start Pricing. 

Six Cities
Submitted 11/06/2023, 12:01 pm

Submitted on behalf of
Cities of Anaheim, Azusa, Banning, Colton, Pasadena, and Riverside, CA

Contact

Margaret McNaul (mmcnaul@thompsoncoburn.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

The history and background information regarding Fast Start Pricing as presented during Working Group Session #6 was helpful.  In terms of the CAISO’s analysis of how its existing mechanisms may address some of the same concepts as a Fast Start Pricing structure as outlined on Slide 21, it would be useful for the CAISO to elaborate on whether the existing market solutions are or may no longer be sufficient and, if they are not sufficient, whether these existing methodologies could be revised as an alternative to Fast Start Pricing.

Relatedly, Slide 22 notes impacts on prices that are expected under a Fast Start Pricing program and uncertainties about the extent of uplifts.  The potential for increased costs presents concerns, and the Six Cities support the CAISO’s efforts to analyze the extent of potentially higher prices and additional uplifts so that stakeholders may fully evaluate the costs and benefits of Fast Start Pricing.  If the CAISO’s analysis of higher costs under Fast Start Pricing shows that such cost increases are considerable, but the CAISO and stakeholders nonetheless conclude that Fast Start Pricing is needed to address gaps in the CAISO’s existing market structures, what approaches can minimize ratepayers’ exposure to cost increases while still achieving the objectives of a Fast Start Pricing program? 

Finally, it would be useful for the CAISO to explore the extent to which any new products in its markets, such as imbalance reserves, may address some of the concerns underlying requests for implementation of Fast Start Pricing.  Assuming approval by FERC, the CAISO is expected to implement the market reforms from the Day Ahead Market Enhancements (“DAME”) and Extended Day Ahead Market (“EDAM”) initiatives in the 2025-26 timeframe.  While the Fast Start Pricing analysis discussed by the CAISO’s analytics team during the Working Group #6 meeting will be informative for the CAISO and stakeholders, the Six Cities urge the CAISO to consider deferral of further consideration of Fast Start Pricing policy changes until after DAME/EDAM implementation, so that additional analysis of the need for and impacts of Fast Start Pricing can be completed once the DAME/EDAM reforms are incorporated into the CAISO’s markets.  Given the elements of the proposed DAME/EDAM redesign and the expectation of additional market participants bringing greater resource diversity to the day-ahead market, there may be greater convergence between the day ahead and real time markets and fewer overall concerns regarding price formation, and thus there may be a reduced need for Fast Start Pricing.  Market outcomes under DAME/EDAM may also shape the elements of a Fast Start Pricing policy in the event the CAISO and stakeholders determine a Fast Start Pricing program is needed post-implementation. 

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

The Six Cities do not have any feedback on metrics or market impacts to include in the Fast Start Pricing analysis beyond those identified by the CAISO in its working group presentation. 

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

The Six Cities have no additional comments at this time.

Southern California Edison
Submitted 11/03/2023, 09:46 am

Contact

John Diep (John.diep@sce.com)

1. Please provide your feedback on the History and Level Set of Fast-Start Pricing provided in Working Group Session #6. Were there any specific topics that require further information/discussion in order to continue the development of a scope for analysis on Fast-Start Pricing for further discussion in subsequent phases of the Price Formation Enhancements initiative?

SCE appreciates the opportunity to comment on Working Group Session 6 regarding Fast-Start Pricing (FSP). 

Note that when SCE requests additional data in the comments below, it does not just solely refer to empirical or observed facts. SCE also expects the CAISO to provide an analysis of these facts to justify any necessary action.  In sum, SCE’s data requests are not just for raw data, but for CAISO’s detailed interpretation of this data that supports any proposed changes to the current market design. This analysis should include detailed explanations from CAISO’s on how the proposed changes will address the shortcomings (if any) of the existing market design.   

 

Request for additional information 

The information provided by the CAISO is a good introduction to FSP, but in order to fully assess the impact of the presented results, the CAISO should provide additional data. The data presented on slide 32 showed increases in prices due to the inclusion of minimum load costs and start-up costs in the energy bids, but the CAISO should also provide the total cost increase as well as the reduction in uplift costs. Additionally, the CAISO should provide the frequency of occurrences when units are at minimum load, but their marginal costs are not setting the price. The simple example provided in the presentation on slides 12-17 should seem to be a likely occurrence; however, in the actual, broad CAISO (or EIM) marketplace containing hundreds of on-line generators, FSP may not be as necessary. As such, SCE is concerned that there would be little if any benefit derived from the additional costs that FSP would present. 

Separately, in these analyses, SCE would like to understand whether the bids of units are adjusted for minimum load and commitment costs at all times, or only when the units are not running, or scheduled only to minimum load? If a unit has self-scheduled to minimum load, are the minimum load and commitment costs still included in the bids? 

 

What are the benefits of taking on the added cost of FSP? 

CAISO has indicated a willingness to reconsider the concept of Fast Start Pricing (FSP), suggesting that it could “meet the needs of a broad regional market.”  However, it remains unclear whether incorporating FSP addresses any specific need.  For the sake of transparency and understanding, it would be beneficial for the CAISO to better describe the potential benefits of FSP. Given that any additional constraint would generally lead to higher market prices, the accompanying benefit must be identified.  This explanation should also discuss what is gained through FSP if minimum load and commitment costs are already included in the least cost optimization. The identification and description of potential benefits (along with possible quantification) would enable stakeholders to better understand the rationale behind this initiative.   

 

There should be no double payments from any incremental additions to the market design 

The CAISO has identified two key features of FSP: the relaxation of minimum output and the integration of commitment costs into the marginal price. Given these two features, certain questions arise regarding the compatibility of FSP with the existing market structure and it is unclear whether the CAISO intends to revise the current operational framework to accommodate FSP.  For example, currently commitment costs are captured through separate startup cost payments.   Would integrating FSP change this existing payment, and would start-up cost payments be phased out?   The CAISO would need to remove these payments to ensure that resources do not receive double payment for commitment costs.   

 

Will FSP’s task overlap that of existing products? 

Another complexity is the potential overlap in compensation for flexible ramping capabilities to meet the next incremental load.  FSP incentivizes fast-start resources by allowing them to set prices for their marginal supply.  However, the presence of the Flexible Ramping Product (FRP) in the real-time market and the Imbalance Reserve Product (IRP) in the day-ahead market warrants a detailed explanation of how FSP will coexist with these mechanisms and how to address the overlap in compensation for essentially the same market product.    

The analysis that the CAISO provided was for 2021, well before recent changes to the FRP. The CAISO should consider rerunning the analysis for a period when the existing FRP structure was in effect, in order to provide data about whether FRP alters the potential need for FSP. 

 

Will FSP have adverse impacts given that it may not be reflective of typical conditions during the majority of the time? Is FSP even capable of representing the reality of the CAISO market? 

Lastly, the CAISO should provide examples of how FSP would function during oversupply conditions when renewables supply is abundant.  The ability of Fast Start Generation to influence pricing, even when the resource is far from being utilized, can create wrong price signals.     

Before proceeding with FSP, CAISO must provide comprehensive solutions to the challenges and questions mentioned above.  This proactive approach will not only enhance stakeholders’ understanding but will also ensure that implementing FSP would be achievable.   

2. Please provide your feedback on key metrics or market impacts you would like to explore in the Fast Start Pricing analysis.

SCE emphasizes the need for CAISO to provide the key benefits of FSP in the current market construct.   SCE requests several key metrics under question #1.

3. Please provide any additional feedback.

SCE does not have additional comments.

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